Intel processors crashing Unreal engine games (and others)

[DAPUNISHER]

Agreed. He is shilling and lying in his own interests.

He represents his company on Intel's board of advisors. He is offering among the shortest extended warranty periods of 3 years for affected systems. If his failure rates are so low why not 5 years like most other S.I.s? Because he is lying.

Suddenly AMD is the most reliable and Intel 13 and 14 have stability problems? You don't say? - https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...most-reliable-hardware-of-2024/#CPU_Processor

Now AMD is the top selling lineup for him. Is that because you recommend them, or customers demand them? I surmise both. He ran cover to protect his earnings, but you can bet they were steering customers away from raptor lake at the same time he was making those BS claims.

Anything for money aka shill.

 

[DZero]

Funny enough supposedly 11th gen failure rates are way higher than Raptor Lake according to Puget Systems.

But at the end Puget is screwing himself those processors faster than Raptor ones which even ended in Wikipedia and Tv Tropes, which is already insane.

You know when you failed too much when even non tech sites the failure is mentioned.

 

[Thunder 57]

But at the end Puget is screwing himself those processors faster than Raptor ones which even ended in Wikipedia and Tv Tropes, which is already insane.

You know when you failed too much when even non tech sites the failure is mentioned.

Really? Any links? Sounds bad.

 

[DZero]

Really? Any links? Sounds bad.

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_Lake#Instability_and_degradation_issue

TV Tropes: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/IdiotDesign
This part:


Yeah, is a wiki in both cases, but there are mods who checks the articles and approves. Even our thread reached that part, which closes the circle.

Really, in order to reach that part is how badly Intel managed the 13rd and 14th gen. Even worse, seems that with those movements, wants to transform that generation in the next Intel Atom in terms to give to the chinese for dirt cheap.

 

[igor_kavinski]

TV Tropes: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/IdiotDesign

They need to put Arrow Lake design in there as a prime example of idiot design. How to take two awesome architectures (well, the awesomest that Intel could manage with the P-core engineering baboons and Skymont engineering chimpanzees they have) and wreck their market dominance, causing people to switch to AMD in droves. There are people who bought expensive Z890 mobos but not a CPU to wait and see if the situation improves with BIOS fixes or maybe a newer stepping and now they are selling their mobos at loss and killing their Arrow Lake dreams.

Imagine if Lion Cove and Skymont had both been on Intel 7. Yes, maybe they would've produced even more heat and consumed even more power but at least, they would've been a proper CPU upgrade. People would've had to buy a 420mm AIO for running the halo part at stock settings probably but at least the performance would've been there.

 

[Thunder 57]

...There are people who bought expensive Z890 mobos but not a CPU to wait and see if the situation improves with BIOS fixes or maybe a newer stepping and now they are selling their mobos at loss and killing their Arrow Lake dreams...

That is next level stupid right there.

 

[DZero]

They need to put Arrow Lake design in there as a prime example of idiot design. How to take two awesome architectures (well, the awesomest that Intel could manage with the P-core engineering baboons and Skymont engineering chimpanzees they have) and wreck their market dominance, causing people to switch to AMD in droves. There are people who bought expensive Z890 mobos but not a CPU to wait and see if the situation improves with BIOS fixes or maybe a newer stepping and now they are selling their mobos at loss and killing their Arrow Lake dreams.

Imagine if Lion Cove and Skymont had both been on Intel 7. Yes, maybe they would've produced even more heat and consumed even more power but at least, they would've been a proper CPU upgrade. People would've had to buy a 420mm AIO for running the halo part at stock settings probably but at least the performance would've been there.

Arrow Lake is somehow saved since there is still no unstability issues like happened with Raptor Lake. Is another case of a Phenom I scenario.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Arrow Lake is somehow saved since there is still no unstability issues like happened with Raptor Lake.

Because process used is TSMC N3B and TSMC must've given them strict guidance on what NOT to do on their process.

 

[Ranulf]

That is next level stupid right there.

I knew a couple of people that bought 12900k when they were new with pricey mobos but waited out the high ddr5 prices for 6+ months.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I knew a couple of people that bought 12900k when they were new with pricey mobos but waited out the high ddr5 prices for 6+ months.

Wow. That's even crazier coz the initial DDR5 wasn't that good at all. A DDR4 mobo would've let them enjoy the CPU immediately. And by enjoy, of course I mean turning their gaming den into a sauna

 

[DZero]

Wow. That's even crazier coz the initial DDR5 wasn't that good at all. A DDR4 mobo would've let them enjoy the CPU immediately. And by enjoy, of course I mean turning their gaming den into a sauna

Heck, even the chinese current DDR4 are enough for Alder Lake.

 

[Ranulf]

Wow. That's even crazier coz the initial DDR5 wasn't that good at all. A DDR4 mobo would've let them enjoy the CPU immediately. And by enjoy, of course I mean turning their gaming den into a sauna

If I remember right, one of them just didn't want to rebuild a custom water loop later and switch mobos to ddr5 from 4. Which I get it but why not just wait and see what is out there in 6-12 months?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Which I get it but why not just wait and see what is out there in 6-12 months?

Some of them want the rare high end mobos which quickly sell out so that's one reason I can understand.

 

[Thunder 57]

If I remember right, one of them just didn't want to rebuild a custom water loop later and switch mobos to ddr5 from 4. Which I get it but why not just wait and see what is out there in 6-12 months?

That's still stupid IMHO. Prices almost never go up after launch. Only maybe lately with GPU's really.

 

[GunsMadeAmericaFree]

Did Intel ever apologize to everybody, then issue refunds or replacements to people? I haven't paid attention to it all in over a year, so wasn't sure how everything turned out.

 

[Thibsie]

Did Intel ever apologize to everybody, then issue refunds or replacements to people? I haven't paid attention to it all in over a year, so wasn't sure how everything turned out.

Nope, AFAICT.

 

[eek2121]

It was a blog post. He's on the Intel board of advisors. No way is he gonna get on a forum and talk to us little people

I've missed basically all of the recent conversation regarding the subject or the person, so I won't comment there, however, I will say this: you would be surprised at who browses these forums. 😉

 

[DrMrLordX]

Did Intel ever apologize to everybody, then issue refunds or replacements to people? I haven't paid attention to it all in over a year, so wasn't sure how everything turned out.

There were some replacements. The RMA process was difficult for some, probably due to the volume of complaints.

 

[adamge]

Has this been posted yet?

Industry-wide Issue with Intel Core 13th and 14th Generation i5, i7, and i9 Processors | Dell US

 

[igor_kavinski]

Wow. That is SUPER serious! How come none of the online publications mention this URL? Companies with large deployments of these systems may just choose to dump Dell if they start having issues after updating the BIOS. They bought Dell, putting their trust in a hassle-free experience and any problems, despite not being Dell's fault, would still reflect badly on them and may cost them future sales.

 

[Joe NYC]

Has this been posted yet?

Industry-wide Issue with Intel Core 13th and 14th Generation i5, i7, and i9 Processors | Dell US

The document has a date of Jan 30, 2025.

Interesting though that it emerges just as the new AMD based computers go on sale from Dell now. Desktops can be ordered today and delivered on Thursday, April 24. Laptops a week later.

 

[DZero]

Damn... this is turning into a nightmare... heck, at this pace even Core i3 will be affected

 

[Markfw]

I said when this first came out, don't touch 13th or 14th gen. Heck I hated my 12th gen.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Wow. That was SUPER serious!

Fixed that for you. All of this already happened, and it came as no surprise to any of us following this from the beginning. I knew it was Dell last year, when Wendell reported a source inside a major partner said they were failing as high as 30% of some SKUs during internal testing. And that meant there were likely millions of defective units for this single integrator. Intel took their sweet time getting remediation services up and running for them too.

Dell has suffered mass layoffs and financial issues right along with Intel. That's what happens when you have all your eggs in one basket. When those in denial were still claiming it was a nothingburger, Intel was already preparing to shell out untold millions in credits and replacement CPUs to Dell alone.

I also SMDH at those that were saying it was cheaper to do it the way they did rather than issue a recall. They should have handled it the way Microsoft did with the Xbox 360 RROD defects. Instead they boned their most loyal partners and customers, destroyed their reputation, and allowed millions of CPUs to degrade by inaction, greatly exacerbating their financial problems.

Damn... this is turning into a nightmare... heck, at this pace even Core i3 will be affected

Any 65W and up 13 and 14 was affected. That includes some of the mobile parts, despite Intel claiming they were exempt. Not that you can trust anything they say. They completely destroyed any credibility they had with the terrible way they responded, and more importantly, failed to respond to all of this.

They finally took down the banner on their support page about high case volume. I am not going to draw the logical conclusion about that though, as there have been so many dirtbag tricks and shenanigans to date, that I can't even rule out nefarious reasons.

There will be a few lawsuits to settle too. The class action should be a slam dunk. Knowing about the via oxidation and still shipping the 13th gen CPUs was a major foul up. That they were still on the shelves in early 2024 was an egregious error in judgment.

 

[Joe NYC]

Dell has suffered mass layoffs and financial issues right along with Intel. That's what happens when you have all your eggs in one basket. When those in denial were still claiming it was a nothingburger, Intel was already preparing to shell out untold millions in credits and replacement CPUs to Dell alone.

BTW, I was listening to the latest Tech Poutine podcast, and Ian Cutrass tried to sweep the issue under the rug, as a non-issue.

(it's buried in the middle of hours long podcast)