Let's get this blog back on track toward its core competency: bitching about plumbing. You're not here to read about
grant audits or
music licensing or
lawsuits or
ovens, you're here to read about
toilets.Oh, the toilets. You hate 'em, we hate 'em.
The following is not an urgent need, but a long-term, persistent, nagging need. One of the things that I sometimes do when asking for donations is identifying large, self-contained projects with a non-open-ended price tag. This approach has worked out well for us several times in the past! (It got us a new dance floor!)
So lemme tell you about toilets. Maybe this will make you want to pay for a slight remodel of our bathrooms.
The problem:
We keep having leaks, which results in the floor getting gross, and stalls being taken out of commission for days until we can get a plumber in to deal with it. The plumber's fixes are all now stopgap measures that don't hold for long. Something has to give.
Background:
As you know, the toilets on the Main Room side of the compound are stainless steel prison toilets. They were very expensive, supposed to last "forever", and are also "suicide proof", "lacking crevices for hiding of contraband", and "foolproof and incapable of error".
"Forever" was overstating it. These toilets are now 23 years old, and we started having issues with some of them after about 10 years. That was not always the toilet's fault, though, but a bad design decision by our plumber back in 2001!
Ok, so, a normal toilet sits on the floor, bolted atop the wax donut on top of the drain hole, and water enters from an external pipe. For a home toilet that's flex tubing that enters the bottom of the tank; for a commercial toilet, that's usually a pipe entering from the top.
The toilets we have are weird in two ways. First, the water enters from the back, hidden behind the toilet itself. (I imagine that hiding the pipe was part of the "suicide-proofing".) Second, the position of the drain is non-standard compared to every other toilet in the world.
Water entering at the back means that these toilets need to be bolted to both the floor and the wall. Which is fine when the floor and the wall are at right angles. Which they once were! But our hundred year old building is sitting on top of sand dunes and the burned out wreckage of the wooden row houses that were here before the 1906 earthquake. Things have shifted, and sometimes we lose seal against the drain, which not only causes leaks but also causes internal corrosion. Flush and repeat.
The standard "rough-in distance" (distance from the wall to the center of the drain) is 12", but our drains are 3" to 4", some with weird custom adapters. It's a hack job.
And here's the super frustrating part about that: it didn't have to be this way! These stainless steel toilets are all bespoke. There's not a warehouse full of them somewhere, they are all made to order. They will absolutely put together a stainless toilet for you that has a standard 12" rough-in, top water entry, and even a toilet seat. But our plumber didn't do that.
This is far from the first time I have suspected that the plumber we had in 2001 was deliberately sabotaging us.
At this point you might think, "Fuck dem toilets, just replace them with porcelain toilets as they fail." Sure! Except... because both the the drain and the water feed are in a non-standard spot, replacing even one toilet means tearing open the wall to move the water pipe; jackhammering up the floor to move the drain; pouring new concrete; and re-tiling everything. Now multiply that by 8.
However, that's the right move! The nonstandard plumbing is the biggest problem. So the right solution to this problem is:
Convert all of the plumbing to a standard layout, so that it is even possible to plop a $300 porcelain toilet on top.
- Then decide what toilet to plop down:
New stainless toilets, with standard plumbing, and with seats. Cost about $3,000 each, last 15-25+ years.
- New porcelain toilets, cost $300 each, can be destroyed by a beer bottle dropped from shoulder height.
That decision rests on what you think the average lifespan of a porcelain toilet will be, versus how much cooler you think the stainless look is. I don't have data on lifespan. It's true that we have not lost a porcelain toilet from the Pizza or Above DNA restrooms, but there are only 4 of those and they get way less traffic than the main room. Like, probably less than 10%.
This is a project that benefits heavily from economies of scale: it's cheaper to tear up the whole floor at once, to re-tile the whole wall at once, etc. than do it one stall at a time.
So we figure that phase one of the operation, "fix the stupid plumbing configuration in all stalls", probably costs around $25k all in.
Then phase two, replace the toilets themselves, costs either $3k or $20k, depending on whether we go with 2-year porcelain, or 2-decade stainless.
So, who's in? Would you like to be the hero who makes our bathrooms ride eternal, shiny and chrome?