Timeline for Why was Tanenbaum wrong in the Tanenbaum-Torvalds debates?
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| Jan 17, 2020 at 13:04 | comment | added | Stack Exchange Broke The Law | It's 8 years later and they still can't. | |
| Dec 19, 2012 at 1:11 | history | made wiki | Post Made Community Wiki by david | ||
| May 7, 2012 at 14:59 | comment | added | user1249 | Note, Ubuntu 12.04 is actually quite nice. | |
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| Mar 22, 2012 at 13:07 | comment | added | mangelo | @robertc If you get msi's written truly in per User mode you don't have to run it in Admin. In windows 8 all those metro apps will be perUser (appx installers will be User Mode only). I also use Fedora and often pop into root to install rpms. (I still hit hicups with the GUI wrapper for YUM.) Ubuntu now just works. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 11:54 | comment | added | robertc | I can't even use Windows 7 without a command line - by default I can't run an MSI 'as administrator', I have to start an admin command prompt and then run the MSI from there. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 10:20 | comment | added | Daniel B | @vartec I think the issue on my side seems to be that Ubuntu mis-detects my particular D-link card, and seems to wipe my settings for which drivers are on the "forbidden list" after most updates. I agree in general though, Ubuntu is a very hassle-free environment, most of the time (also: apt-get is awesome, even if it has its own issues). Maybe I'm just unlucky, but I keep running into that 1% of the time when everything falls apart, but then other people seem to have that issue with Windows. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 10:12 | comment | added | vartec | @DanielB: I had to click once on these during installation - goo.gl/Cn9f - the page is for Nvidia driver, but you can see other "restricted driver" is Broadcom. That's happens to be also my WiFi driver. It's just so much easier than Windows, no need to check which hardware have, search for correct driver etc.. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 10:07 | comment | added | Konrad Rudolph | @vartec In theory. In practice, boom. Something isn’t working. Be it the Unity bar which isn’t displayed on the correct display (or at all), or the fact that you have to manually reboot the display driver after each login, using the console, while working blind (because no display is working) … etc. This is not hypothetical, I’ve had all of this, in the last year, with an up to date distribution. Just using the System Setting dialog didn’t help at all, since it crashed. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 10:04 | comment | added | vartec | @Konrad: well, actually if you have Nvidia card and install Nvidia's drivers (again one click in "additional drivers" in Ubuntu), then it supports external displays OotB. youtu.be/JxpQkEB3bSk - btw. no need for console, you can as well click icon in System Settings. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 9:47 | comment | added | Daniel B | @vartec Sorry if my comment came off wrong, I intended it to be funny, not snarky. Regarding wireless cards - I have to repeat these steps after every second Ubuntu update. A non-technical friend recently wiped Ubuntu after the Unity switch left him without a graphical desktop. At another time, I've been instructed by various (expert) people to never "just update" eeeBuntu. Like I said, when it works, it's "don't make me think". When things go wrong... it's expert time. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 9:43 | comment | added | Konrad Rudolph | @vartec Unless you need to plug in an external monitor. Or install it on a laptop different from the one model officially supported. Unfortunately (!) Linux on desktop isn’t ready for prime time yet. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 9:40 | comment | added | vartec | @DanielB: actually my WiFi card has been working perfectly ever since I've installed Ubuntu. The only thing it required was clicking on "OK" on a question about installing additional drivers (not included on CD because of licensing). Didn't need to care which model, with which chipset it is etc. On the other hand I had to reinstall my Win7 after HDD change. It was 2h of pain in the backside installing dozens of drivers. Of course didn't get WiFi working at first, because drivers CD had 3 different drivers.I had to figure out which one to use. Sorry, I prefer Ubuntu way - don't make me think. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 9:13 | comment | added | Christoffer Hammarström | @MasonWheeler: Are you seriously making the claim that a user today can pick up Windows and configure a network printer? | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 8:46 | comment | added | user1539 | @DanielB - I concur. Ubuntu is the poster child of the user-friendly Linux movement, but there seems to a frenzy of pushing new versions in recent times (Unity/Ubuntu, and for that matter also GNOME3/Fedora) which has often resulted in bad user interfaces and things breaking with a simple update. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 6:18 | comment | added | Daniel B | @vartec Ubuntu certainly has come a long way, however when things go wrong, you will be diving into the command line quicker than you can say "why doesn't my wireless card work since I clicked the install updates button?". It's a great OS, but I know of a number of non-technical people who have "bricked" their installation in this way. Of course this can happen any OS, but it specifically seems to plague the mainstream Linuxes, in my experience. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 3:34 | comment | added | Tikhon Jelvis | @MasonWheeler: Of course. Anybody can pick up Ubuntu and use it with no command line stuff at all. My roommate--certainly not super tech literate--had no problems moving from Windows to Ubuntu. Other people I know using Ubuntu--varying in experience but all not experts--have not had any problems either. My old roommate last year had more problems with his Mac than my current roommate does with Ubuntu, at similar levels of computer experience. (Even printing, of all things, was easier by far on Linux than on the Mac!) So the whole Linux command line thing is a gross misrepresentation. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 0:55 | comment | added | vartec | @Mason: you can even try it yourself online: ubuntu.com/tour/en | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 0:51 | comment | added | vartec | @Mason: when was the last time you've seen for example Ubuntu? It's easier to do common end-user task on Ubuntu w/o knowing about console, than on OSX (hell, on OSX making hidden files visible requires Ph.D. in Nerdology). In Ubuntu stuff just works. In Windows you have to install drivers or whatever. In OSX stuff just doesn't work. BTW. does your mom use RegEdit :-P | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 0:29 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | @Martin: Edited to clarify. OSX may be Unix under the hood, but it's anything but the "free GNU OS" Tannenbaum was talking about! | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 0:28 | history | edited | Mason Wheeler | CC BY-SA 3.0 | edited body |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 0:27 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | @Vartec: No longer relevant? Are you seriously making the claim that a user today can pick up Linux and start doing the full repertoire of common end-user tasks without ever having to even know that a command-line even exists, the way they can on Windows or OSX? | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 0:17 | comment | added | Martin Beckett | Macs are Unix systems - I think it's possible for your mom to use them. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 0:09 | comment | added | vartec | -1 for blog post from 8 years ago, which is no longer relevant. | |
| Mar 22, 2012 at 0:03 | history | edited | Mason Wheeler | CC BY-SA 3.0 | added 111 characters in body |
| Mar 21, 2012 at 23:14 | history | answered | Mason Wheeler | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
